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@Toybasher said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1532998#Comment_1532998
Aight take a look at these clips and explain how the killer was tunneling.
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/f4jpjk/tunneling_3_survivors_simultaneously/
DS from survivor in an otherwise suicidal unhook (I refer to these "In yo' face" unhooks as Hook-Yeets) after an interrupt. He downs the hook-yeeted survivor, downs the hook-yeeter, downs a third survivor who was unhooked earlier in the clip. (Notice how far away the third survivor is on the hook at 0:13. Kinda close but not that close, meaning the survivor approached the killer after the unhook.) He picks up the third survivor and gets DS'd. Finally, with all momentum lost, he attempts to pick up another survivor, (the hook hook-yeeted one) and gets DS'd.
https://youtu.be/AemY6nr_GCU?t=206
Survivor does the infamous hook-tech and hook-yeets. Once again, interrupted and DS'd for an otherwise braindead, game-throwing play on the survivor's end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2UKAqmJSH4
Survivor rushes up to the hook and unhooks the survivor (Not really a divebomb/hookyeet). Killer downs both, picks up the unhooker, gets DS'd. Picks up unhooked survivor. Get's DS'd. Adrenaline procs, all momentum is gone and the game is over.
I don't have any context for this clip but it sort of explains itself. 3 locker-DS's, literally back-to-back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/dualyt/i_want_to_die/
More back to back DS's.
2 guys hooked, third survivor unhooks, he downs the guy doing the unhooking, DS'd.
So, can you explain how the killer was tunneling in these clips? (Besides the 4th one, no real context for it.)
It's these scenarios that are why I want DS changed. By the way, I never mentioned borrowed time.
yes but to change the skill to make for the ones not tunneling would only make it so the ones tunneling could tunnel more freely the purpose ds was implemented into the game to begin with was because of tunnelers it wasnt expected to be used the way it is and a lot of those back to back ds's happening are friends who watched streamers gaming with friends toying with a killer so punish everyone in terms because of a few cocky people? killers are already op'd enuff as is so to start cutting down on survivers skills only makes it harder o na surv not on a killer level 1 killers can take on a full red rank team and still get the 4 ko game winning hook or mori so i dont see what the problem is tbh all the killer has to do is knock the unhooked down and continue to patrol after roughly 45-60s the ds is gone so instead of goign for back to back hooks try being creative? pay attention to what people you have hooked already and if you know youve hooked them in the past 45-60 seconds or so just knock them down and continue on your way another surv will pick them up then the next time you know that 1 hook them at least you canceled out the ds instead of you people tryign to rush games back to back super fast * making the game boring and unfun * try chasing multiple different survs if they cant get the gens done because you patrol gens and chase as you see people etc then the game is prolonged taking longer to get gens done meaning ds wears off inbetween hookings not to mention you can potentially get 8k points in all 4 emblems? opposed to only getting very little points you stand the chance to make 30k points and if you have double points offerign then you make 60k that game etc its people not thinking and tryign to end things as soon as the game starts that kill the game not how to survivor is using ds you are just in to much of a rush to think of how to counter these skills and then cry for a nerf of a skill i will be the first to say i play killer way better then surv i can 4 k/o a red rank team as a level 1 killer but yet get slapped super fast by a purple to red ranked killer
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@Toybasher said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1532998#Comment_1532998
Aight take a look at these clips and explain how the killer was tunneling.
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/f4jpjk/tunneling_3_survivors_simultaneously/
DS from survivor in an otherwise suicidal unhook (I refer to these "In yo' face" unhooks as Hook-Yeets) after an interrupt. He downs the hook-yeeted survivor, downs the hook-yeeter, downs a third survivor who was unhooked earlier in the clip. (Notice how far away the third survivor is on the hook at 0:13. Kinda close but not that close, meaning the survivor approached the killer after the unhook.) He picks up the third survivor and gets DS'd. Finally, with all momentum lost, he attempts to pick up another survivor, (the hook hook-yeeted one) and gets DS'd.
https://youtu.be/AemY6nr_GCU?t=206
Survivor does the infamous hook-tech and hook-yeets. Once again, interrupted and DS'd for an otherwise braindead, game-throwing play on the survivor's end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2UKAqmJSH4
Survivor rushes up to the hook and unhooks the survivor (Not really a divebomb/hookyeet). Killer downs both, picks up the unhooker, gets DS'd. Picks up unhooked survivor. Get's DS'd. Adrenaline procs, all momentum is gone and the game is over.
I don't have any context for this clip but it sort of explains itself. 3 locker-DS's, literally back-to-back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/dualyt/i_want_to_die/
More back to back DS's.
2 guys hooked, third survivor unhooks, he downs the guy doing the unhooking, DS'd.
So, can you explain how the killer was tunneling in these clips? (Besides the 4th one, no real context for it.)
It's these scenarios that are why I want DS changed. By the way, I never mentioned borrowed time.
yes but to change the skill to make for the ones not tunneling would only make it so the ones tunneling could tunnel more freely the purpose ds was implemented into the game to begin with was because of tunnelers it wasnt expected to be used the way it is and a lot of those back to back ds's happening are friends who watched streamers gaming with friends toying with a killer so punish everyone in terms because of a few cocky people? killers are already op'd enuff as is so to start cutting down on survivers skills only makes it harder o na surv not on a killer level 1 killers can take on a full red rank team and still get the 4 ko game winning hook or mori so i dont see what the problem is tbh all the killer has to do is knock the unhooked down and continue to patrol after roughly 45-60s the ds is gone so instead of goign for back to back hooks try being creative? pay attention to what people you have hooked already and if you know youve hooked them in the past 45-60 seconds or so just knock them down and continue on your way another surv will pick them up then the next time you know that 1 hook them at least you canceled out the ds instead of you people tryign to rush games back to back super fast * making the game boring and unfun * try chasing multiple different survs if they cant get the gens done because you patrol gens and chase as you see people etc then the game is prolonged taking longer to get gens done meaning ds wears off inbetween hookings not to mention you can potentially get 8k points in all 4 emblems? opposed to only getting very little points you stand the chance to make 30k points and if you have double points offerign then you make 60k that game etc its people not thinking and tryign to end things as soon as the game starts that kill the game not how to survivor is using ds you are just in to much of a rush to think of how to counter these skills and then cry for a nerf of a skill i will be the first to say i play killer way better then surv i can 4 k/o a red rank team as a level 1 killer but yet get slapped super fast by a purple to red ranked killer
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@Kisagi1990 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1532851#Comment_1532851
That attitude is what's toxic. You don't know his life so don't dictate how he acts.
what does his life have to do with saying tunneling is ok i was just i na game where the kid face camped even after unhooking while unhooking the guy would walk behind the hooked and instant down him picking him up not chasing the unhooker and rehook vics he did this 2 all 3 other survs and caght me before finding hatch you tell me how its fun or fair that people tunnel and he is saying nothing is wrong with tunneling you are just as bad as him for supporting him like i said their was nothing toxic about my statement i was simply stating what is in my mind about it and he would more or less be one of us you him her to complain in the persons ims saying the player is crap etc for doing so but yet he is saying he does it himself and sees nothing wrong with it that is being ignorant so how was me saying this toxic? it wasn't thank you now this is being toxic stop being a drama queen and get over yourself k thx
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@Kisagi1990 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1532834#Comment_1532834
That might be a bit far and definitely toxic.
it's not far it is right on the money and nothing toxic about it it is my honest opinion as to what i believe most of these people complain in msgs when they die expecially if it costs them a pip due to tunneling etc or a hag using phantasm traps on a hooked body just to port back and catch either the hooked and rehook or catch the other most people will msg and talk bad to the killer for doing such actions he is goign to defend this saying nothign is wrogn with tunneling yet if he is the surv being tunneled he would be one of those people talking trash in a msg it is ignorant so what was toxic about my statement?
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@Waffleyumboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1512692#Comment_1512692
There's nothing wrong with tunneling, and if you want to defend the practice openly I will respectfully disagree but not try to attack you for it or anything. It's amazing how there's such a stigma around types of gameplay in this community, be it using "op perks" as survivor, genrushing, camping, or tunneling. I wish there was a way this toxic bias in particular could be diffused.
and im betting you are one of the first people to complain and be toxic in someones im's when it happens to you expecially if it costs you a pip stop being ignorant
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@sad_killer_main said:
I'm a main killer myself, but also I know something about survivor obviously (I have to know my enemy in order to face it).
You are indeed extremely right, killer is harder than survivor, and one reason for this is that every killer is different.
Making every survivor different would definitely balance this game more, and certainly, more fun to play.
If every survivor has downsides and upsides, even I would want to play survivor.
The only reason I don't like playing survivor is because I get bored of them in 2 or 3 games. It's like playing the same thing again and again = boooring.
Each killer has its unique identity and power, and it's so cool being a killer main.
Also, playing killer is playing dbd in hard mode, and playing survivor is playing dbd in easy mode. Thus, I prefer killer.
sadly i disagree here because im not even a full 2 weeks in the game i can play a brand new killer ive never played before and still kill all 4 survs even when its a game of swf red ranks so this is totally disgree with it is actually harder to play surv then it is to play a killer and the sad part is i can do this using a level 1 killer so if you are having issues playing killer and think it is hard to do then you arent very observant in your matches or hard of hearing because its easy to follow red scratches and to hear survs crying out in pain etc its very easy to track if someone jumped in a locker even without making a sound etc so i do really disagree here
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@Laurie_IsLife said:
I think everyone is missing the big picture on why dbd has such a problem and often people argue that its because of perks and yell out specific perks they hate
The problem with dbd is survivors and before you disagree with me please note that I am a survivor main and you should hear me out.
Survivors have no downside to them you can play any survivor without any penalty where that is different for killer, you can't play any killer and it be the same. Killers have different abilities which leads to different playstyles survivors don't you can play any survivor and run at the same speed etc needs to change
My suggestion: Completely rework survivor and remove teachables.
Survivors needs stats like killers, some survivors should be slower than others leaving them at a disadvantage but could have pros like more strength (by strength I mean throwing down a pallet faster and it stuns the killer for like 0.3 seconds longer)
Exhaustion needs to be base kit, there needs to be exhaustion you shouldn't be able to run across the map without stopping to catch breath and this gives killers like hag a chance in chases where you run a -5% slower if you run for to long
Teachables have always been a problem on the survivor side anyway and have continued to be a problem throughout the years. They honestly make a character less important since all you have to do is get someone to level 40 in the blood web then be done with them this can be done in a day. I propose they remove teachables as a whole and yes I'm aware that this can be argued with but I have an example
Say you wanna use dead hard but you also want to use decisive strike you can't anymore you'd have to play David for dead hard or Laurie for decisive strike.
I know there will be entitled players who won't like this idea but I think every survivor main realizes that killer has harder than survivor and something needs to be done other than reworking powers and perks.
i disagree with you completely im less then 2 weeks old on this game and i can play as a level 1 killer killing even red ranked players so easy and this is without using more then 1 lvl 1 perk and can win the game verse survs easy its a matter of how you process the game if anything perks should be dumbed down on killers and or removed completly as all killers are exactly the same other then their very own exclusive ability this also brings me 2 it is not penalizing any killer for being on a new killer to play against their own rank levels if anything make them rank up against people a few ranks back not against noobs and i do have proof i can post of how bad this rank system is 1 game someone d/c before mat you know the rank levels ?
R18 surv r20 surv r20 surv r17 surv | Then R1 Killer this is fair how? you realize he desomated all of us then proceeded to say not my fault we cant see ranks prior to the end of the game so you are punishing new players instead of promoting good game play its rediculous oh let me go again here is another example the game i played right before this post.
R16 surv r17 surv r20 surv r20 surv ||| OMG another r1 killer? this is fair at all most of my games have been like thjis tonight now you tell me how this is fair and once again the killer says how was he suppose to know he was bashing on noobs let me take a breath for a second and think uhmmm because it was super easy to kill all of us off before we get gens and anything done? BH you guys need to pull your head out of your rearends and fix this problem the new match making system will NEVER work how can i tell you this its common sense if new killers are matched against noobs to learn their killer you have 22 killers in game that means 22 killers later they finally stop matching 1 player with noobs but how many more players will be goign through 22 different killers use your brain for a minute if your goign to fix this you have to pull the killer playign a new killer back a few ranks not back to the noob stages put them with the purple players give the rest a chance you realize in the past 20 days you guys have lost 2.6k players? most of it has more then likly been in the past few days since this new match making system its broken and will not calibrate the way you are planning for it to you cant test o na small scale and expect it to work on a larger scale you tested it on a SET number of PEOPLE not the entire gaming community and everyday you get new gamers you also have old VETS that come back and can snap right back into it like riding a bike hence why this system will never CALIBRATE i was goign to buy this game for pc as well not just my xbox one i wasted real money on your dlc's cosmetics and rift pass would have done so on pc as well i own every dlc you put out and im only a little less then 2 weeks old on this game i will not be buyign for pc anything till all of this match making bs is corrected if i find a game i like more then this game before that match making is fixed i more then likly wont end up coming back and wont be spending more of my money on this the game was enjoyable before the mmr was released now the game is a major headache i had to switch to a new accoutn to play just so that my rank isnt shattered that i worked so hard to level to just get to r12 with 1 pip away from 11 and now im literally 1 pip away from dropping back to a r14 due to facing r1 -r4 killers and occaionally a purple once in a blue moon i get a new killer with a ranking of 15-20 and can get a safty pip and or 1-2 pips but in most cases its r1-4 killers and they just slap the whole game then they say not my fault its the mmr i dont know your noobs you do though based on how we play WE CANT EVEN LOOP right that in itself should tell you we are NEW
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@BlazePyron2 said:
I came back to the game after rage-uninstalling a couple weeks ago now that matchmaking "changed"
I decided to play trapper cause I figure the default killer mmr is probably pretty high, and trapper is fairly weak (especially considering he's only level 28 for me) so I'll have to lose a few games with him anyway to get the mmr down to a level I can play him and have fun.
I instantly could tell that it matched me with reds, it's so easy to tell from chasing someone what rank they are. rank may not equal skill (it does) but it equals map awareness and these dudes were looping me endlessly.
Ended game with no kills and one hook. as I suspected, three red ranks and their rank 16 friend (I'm also rank 16 lol).
The default mmr should be much, much lower. Make people rank up their mmr, don't make people who are already bad at the game feel like ######### for 10+ matches. I can't imagine what someone's first ten games as killer would be if my fresh killer game was with 3 reds who literally ran circles around me.
your right and a lot of new players already quit playing due to new match making system and others that have been playing have put the game down as well wonder how much money they are willing to lose before they put match making back till they find an alternative match making system because current setup blows id rather have a 30 minute que time between games then to be paired up with players way out of my leauge above or below my current skill lvl
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pretty much im almost 2 weeks into this game with level 1 killers i dont have problems killing even red ranked players i tend to let people win at end but i get my hooks in and knock them down a lot chas points breaking pallets and gens etc but give them the win instead of hooking them 3 times for kill my killer rank is now r17 and that is using LEVEL 1 killers killers are easy to play even without perks when you add perks it makes it a whole lot easier even impossible to win if using the right perks but as a surviver before new rank system i made it to r13 and now i am bouncing back and forth between r13 and r14 keep getting r1 killers who just desomate all survivers in minutes we dont even get the chance to build up enuff points to safty pip and team is dead you devs did an amazing job at mmr go back to your old system and stop touching stuff that you ASSUME will work properly i have bought my rift pass and all of the DLCs and now im actually extremely disappointed i bought them because i enjoyed the game and since this new match making system i wish i had not spent a red cent on any of your dlcs or rift progress its disgusting