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@Jos_724 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3798755#Comment_3798755
I do not play killer, but the killer moving back and forth is their way of tea bagging and it's NO different. To make it into something more is ridiculous PERIOD. "to simulate a non-consenual sex act" is absolutely disgusting to those of us who actually DID experience such a thing. yes i am saying GROW UP. and get your feelings in check!!! absolutely i am!
I do play killer. I play about 50/50 survivor/killer. (I've also experienced sexual violence, for the record, although it isn't necessary to be a SA survivor to still be able to understand and support people who are.) Moving back and forth over a downed survivor is NOT my way of teabagging. If I'm particularly annoyed with a survivor, I might nod at them after I put them on the hook, and then go about my merry killer way, because I have better things to do than go out of my way to violate and upset another player in a video game.
My feelings are completely in check, and I am calmly pointing out that it is valid to call out toxic behavior that is harmful to a large proportion of DBD players, and to suggest ways to discourage or curb it. -
@Ohyakno said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3798675#Comment_3798675
I'm sorry that people in a video game are rude sometimes. There's never a time when I'm not going to engage with a post trying to police cringe but ultimately harmless behavior.
Seems to me that you're angling for basekit unbreakable with this as an excuse anyway.
Seems to me there are a number of SA survivors here trying to explain that triggering a (sadly pretty common) trauma is in fact not "harmless". I agree with the commenter above who compared this to using slurs in end-game chat. Just because slurs or violating behavior aren't harmful to you doesn't mean they're not harmful.
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@Crowman said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3798643#Comment_3798643
Both are BM and both are innately representing sexual acts. They really aren't that different.
Ultimately there's really nothing that will be done about this. BHVR can't just remove the killer's ability to walk. You can't just dish out bans for reports that basically boil down to "the killer moved" since most people don't record their gameplay and many likely aren't aware support tickets can be used to submit evidence of an in-game report.
The fact that you think that BM'ing and ######### simulation are identical makes it clear that you do not understand sexual assault, trauma triggers, or making an inclusive space, and therefore you cannot meaningfully weigh in on this discussion.
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If you go back and read the original post, you will see that OP is suggesting gameplay fixes that will discourage the toxic behavior without resorting to banning. It doesn't have to be any harder than the face-camping self-unhook timer. The self-unhook timer activates regardless of whether the killer is purposefully griefing the player on the hook or "accidentally" staying nearby. By putting some sort of timer in the game that gives a killer in-game consequences for standing (or humping) over a prone body for an unreasonable length of time, it eliminates the need for video evidence or for someone to decide whether it was humping, slugging, or "just moving". Everyone got used to the self-unhook timer; everyone can get used to a standing-over-a-prone-body timer too, if BHVR would do it.
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@Crowman said:
Both are pretending to be engaging in a sex act. If you really care about this issue you should be against both teabagging and walking over a downed body.
But at the end of the day enforcing any rules against either action is just not going to happen, because both situations are people using controls in game.
As a matter of fact, I am also against teabagging, so your false-equivalency logical fallacy doesn't work against me. Both are disrespectful, but only one is disrespectful AND predatory.
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@Crowman said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3798617#Comment_3798617
Survivors have been teabagging at killers for years. Are you going to suggest we also start banning survivors for crouching in the vicinity of the killer, because it's simulating a sex act?
If you don't understand the difference between simulating sex on the body of a downed survivor who cannot get away, and crouching up and down a few feet away from a perfectly able-bodied killer, then this post is not for you.
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@Crowman said:
Take action on what exactly? The killer moving over a downed survivor isn't against any rules.
The OP specifically said taking action on a killer standing over a prone survivor for a certain amount of time. That amount of time could be set at a length that makes it extremely unlikely that it's just a newbie killer struggling to get the pickup prompt.