THEPUMPKINSHAPE
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Definition of cheating:
Gaining an unfair advantage via 3rd party Programms
Discord and ts is exactly that, it's just said that sad that devs allow itThe correct term would be "accepted cheating"
And that's my point entirely.
The devs accept the cheating because it keeps players playing so they can keep making money selling them DLC. The devs use the killer's unrewarded loyalty to keep this game going; because without Killers there is no game. Making the ones that stay stupid. Which is why I deleted the game. I know there is no way to prove that I did, but it is gone. It's just too much stress to deal with.
@Saint_Judas said:
If you think its sad that devs allow something that makes more players want to join the game and more players have fun playing the game and think that something that promotes teamwork in a teamwork based game is unfair and cheating, then you are not, and never have been, adapted to this kind of game. There is no such thing as accepted cheating, it is either against the rules or in following, discord is not against any such rules.I hope you enjoy your other games and being toxic elsewhere
Well, it's clearly cheating because it's a third party app that gives unfair advantage. By the dev's own rules, it's cheating. You say it is or it isn't. So, it is.
It makes more Survivors want to join the game, and Survivors have fun paying the game and it promotes teamwork on only one side of the game while not allowing any teamwork for the other side because two Killers can not join and share the same buff.
My point, it breaks the third party app rule, so it's cheating by their own words. It gives an unfair advantage, so it's cheating by common sense. It's allowed as accepted cheating because it makes money for Devs that would rather place the happiness of the larger size of the player base above the minority because it's more financially profitable to do so. That's called being bad devs.
Anyway, I'm not going to keep wasting my time on this. The basic ethics that anyone 4 years old or older can understand of fairness is clearly beyond most Survivor players, the devs don't care because they're making money, the Killer players don't make up a large enough voice here to matter, and I actually did crawl into my Steam account to delete this nightmare of a game because it's not worth the effort anymore.
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@Visionmaker said:
@THEPUMPKINSHAPE said:
@Visionmaker said:
@THEPUMPKINSHAPE said:> I also honestly don't understand why cheating is such a hard word for people accept/wrap their heads around.
Is it an advantage?
Yes.Can it be used against me?
Yes.Do they get it?
Yes.Do I get it?
No.Is that fair?
No.Does that make it cheating?
Yes.Bannable?
Probably not. But cheating? Yes.It's like if someone have someone extra Monopoly money at the start of the game and everyone gets it but one person out of the five. And whenever the one person speaks up and say, hey, why does everyone else get two extra $500 at the start but me? They all say, 'It's not cheating, it's fair. We don't really need it, and it does give us some advantage over you, but you should stop complaining about it, learn to play against it, and sit down, shut up, and accept it.'
That's what people are doing to me with the game. Why should I keep bothering to play it? Explain to me why.
Because cheating in gaming specifically refers to something not sanctioned by the game or the populous. Unfortunately, despite it meeting a criteria of being a tool that is used to advantage only one side, it is sanctioned by the game and a very large chunk of the playerbase. That's it.
But you're fighting a losing battle to try to categorize it as something it is not. I get it, you want people to see the weight of injustice that it brings to the game. Labeling it this way does not help you.
I think you should take a break. It is not healthy to have this sort of reaction to something that should be an enjoyable experience. The game is slowly improving, and the developers are still working on it. If it is hurting you and making you angry, why don't you lay off for a few days and support the game by voicing your opinion through the forums instead?
I already tried taking two months off when the Game Leader told all Killers to [BAD WORD] off in the live stream. It's not any better. It never will get better. I'm done. I can't undo what I just did anyway. Deleting it off Steam account is permanent and I'm never buying this again.
Okay, I respect your decision. It may be for the better. Take care.
If you ever change your mind, we'll be waiting for you at the campfire.
Maybe if it fixes itself and goes free to play. But, I'm never paying money for it again. Not worth the nightmare. It's amazing when cheating is not cheating even though it is cheating.
In any other game, board game, school yard game, life itself, this is called cheating. It's amazing to me in gaming it's not.
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@Visionmaker said:
@THEPUMPKINSHAPE said:> I also honestly don't understand why cheating is such a hard word for people accept/wrap their heads around.
Is it an advantage?
Yes.Can it be used against me?
Yes.Do they get it?
Yes.Do I get it?
No.Is that fair?
No.Does that make it cheating?
Yes.Bannable?
Probably not. But cheating? Yes.It's like if someone have someone extra Monopoly money at the start of the game and everyone gets it but one person out of the five. And whenever the one person speaks up and say, hey, why does everyone else get two extra $500 at the start but me? They all say, 'It's not cheating, it's fair. We don't really need it, and it does give us some advantage over you, but you should stop complaining about it, learn to play against it, and sit down, shut up, and accept it.'
That's what people are doing to me with the game. Why should I keep bothering to play it? Explain to me why.
Because cheating in gaming specifically refers to something not sanctioned by the game or the populous. Unfortunately, despite it meeting a criteria of being a tool that is used to advantage only one side, it is sanctioned by the game and a very large chunk of the playerbase. That's it.
But you're fighting a losing battle to try to categorize it as something it is not. I get it, you want people to see the weight of injustice that it brings to the game. Labeling it this way does not help you.
I think you should take a break. It is not healthy to have this sort of reaction to something that should be an enjoyable experience. The game is slowly improving, and the developers are still working on it. If it is hurting you and making you angry, why don't you lay off for a few days and support the game by voicing your opinion through the forums instead?
I already tried taking two months off when the Game Leader told all Killers to ######### off in the live stream. It's not any better. It never will get better. I'm done. I can't undo what I just did anyway. Deleting it off Steam account is permanent and I'm never buying this again.
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Never mind, deleted game from Steam account. So, never have to worry about this trash again. ######### all of you.
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@Visionmaker said:
@THEPUMPKINSHAPE said:
@Visionmaker said:
@THEPUMPKINSHAPE said:
Otherwise, I'm out and giving it a trash review as I leave.I put over 200 hours into the game and I'm [BAD WORD] sick and tired of getting my ass handed to me by noobs who ONLY win because they CHEAT. Where's the [BAD WORD] FUN in that?
This man has seen one too many Squadettes.
It just gets me when they say it's not cheating and that it's not a big deal and doesn't change the game enough to matter. Yet, it changes the game completely for me. If it doesn't matter, why not take it away? Whenever anyone suggests that, the skies open and blood rains down. But, when I call it cheating, 'It doesn't effect the game that much.'
See the totally insane double standard?
Just because it ticks you off doesn't mean it's cheating. Just because you have a specific perspective of what it is to cheat doesn't lend any more validity to calling this cheating.
By exaggerating the problem, you're making yourself look less credible. Keep to calling it unbalanced and unintended, because at least that makes sense to people.
And no one is even saying that SWF voice chat advantages aren't a big deal or not affecting the game... You need to take a chill pill. And you even flagged the other guy's post? Relax buddy. In the words of our dear Director Cote, you should play some Civ.
I also honestly don't understand why cheating is such a hard word for people accept/wrap their heads around.
Is it an advantage?
Yes.Can it be used against me?
Yes.Do they get it?
Yes.Do I get it?
No.Is that fair?
No.Does that make it cheating?
Yes.Bannable?
Probably not. But cheating? Yes.It's like if someone gave someone extra Monopoly money at the start of the game and everyone gets it but one person out of the five. And whenever the one person speaks up and say, hey, why does everyone else get two extra $500 bills at the start but me? They all say, 'It's not cheating, it's fair. We don't really need it, and it does give us some advantage over you, but we'd play the game the same without it, you can learn to counter it, you should stop complaining about it, learn to play against it, and sit down, shut up, and accept it.' Can we take that advantage away and have us all start on an equal playing field? 'No, you want everything to just suit you and go your way 100% of the time don't you?' I just want a fair game. 'Git gud scrub!'
That's what people are doing to me with the game. Why should I keep bothering to play it? Explain to me why.
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@Visionmaker said:
@THEPUMPKINSHAPE said:
Otherwise, I'm out and giving it a trash review as I leave.I put over 200 hours into the game and I'm [BAD WORD] sick and tired of getting my ass handed to me by noobs who ONLY win because they CHEAT. Where's the [BAD WORD] FUN in that?
This man has seen one too many Squadettes.
It just gets me when they say it's not cheating and that it's not a big deal and doesn't change the game enough to matter. Yet, it changes the game completely for me. If it doesn't matter, why not take it away? Whenever anyone suggests that, the skies open up and blood rains down. But, when I call it cheating, 'It doesn't effect the game that much.'
See the totally insane double standard? Hellfire if I suggest it be removed. (Because its their crutch.) But, 'doesn't matter and people play the same with or without out' whenever I call it cheating. It's political double speak at its absolute finest.
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1: The game never needed SWF.
2: SWF ruins balance against killer and is thus broken and cheating.
3: It needs to be given to Killers too, or taken away.Otherwise, I see no reason to keep playing the game because it's broken trash as is because of this one issue.
It never should have been added. A powerful tool is the same as cheating when I don't get that tool.
Answer me this. How is it fair that Survivors get this tool and I don't? It's not. That's why it's called cheating.
Is it cheating?
Yes.Do we need to rework the entire game, create an entire new mode, and change everything in the game to work around that while making solo play incredibly more difficult and pointless and the original playstyle most likely dead?
Yes.
Otherwise, I'm out and giving it a trash review as I leave.
I put over 200 hours into the game and I'm ######### sick and tired of getting my ass handed to me by noobs who ONLY win because they CHEAT. Where's the ######### FUN in that?
It's especially obvious when playing as Freddy. God I hate this ######### game. I hate it because I love it outside of this one ######### big hole that makes it total #########.
If it wasn't for SWF and voice chat, that game is actually fun. When I lobby dodge enough to get a room with all solo joins, as the devs intended the game to be, it's actually fair and fun. But, when I get 3 or 4 SWF the game is TOTAL ######### TRASH.
At least give us an option to filter out the cheaters so I don't have to lobby dodge to ignore them.
Like you said, bond, empathy, all useless. Anything needed for tracking by Survivor is useless when you can just tell them where you are.
Fine, get rid of SWF. Game did fine without it until Survivors wined and Behavior caved. I shouldn't HAVE to adjust myself to cheating. That's a completely unreasonable demand from the devs for me to keep playing this game with the deck stacked against me. I find NO JOY, in it.
My hope was, after over a year, enough people would complain to get it taken away, or given to both sides, or something. Really, anything. But, instead, DBD Devs just ignore it and consider normal Survivor coddling.
I'm sick of it. Balance in this game is trash on its own with infinite loops and the rest.
Only thing I can do to punish SWF voice chat cheating is camping, and I get nothing but hate for it after the match. But, it's the one and only thing that works.
Why should I stay when you cheat against me? Give me one ######### REASON!
You act like it's not that big of a deal, but I've noticed it to be the one and only major deciding factor. When I face them, I almost always die. When I face solo join, I kill 3 to 4. How do I go from 1 kill if I'm lucky to 3 to 4?
It's especially obvious when playing Freddy. SWF, dream demon is useless and everyone wakes everyone up 2.5 seconds after they shake a chase. They instantly and always find each other and wake each other up. When all of them but one are tagged, you'll see all three coordinate to the same spot to be woken up by the one awake. It's amazing how blatant the cheating is.
In contrast, against solo join, they flair ignorantly around looking for a gen or med kit to wake themselves up with by failing a skill check because they can't find each other, as it should be. I easily camp and kill 3 to 4.
It's night VS day. Totally different because of voice chat cheating. It's just with Freddy, I notice it with Myers. But, it's obvious with Freddy because I can see their auras constantly and they run in coordinated patterns towards each other that are impossible without voice chat.
It has completely ruined his game for me. I purchased this horror game because I wanted to run around in a digital world and kill people as movie monsters like Freddy and Myers. I didn't purchase it so Survivors would hand me my ass. Should Survivors have a fair chance? Yes. It voice chat cheating? Yes. Do they already have near infinite chases with pallets and infinite? Yes.
Survivor is baby mode because it takes no skill to play. The devs hand them the game. I'm just tired and very close to done with this. If I could refund the game I would. Almost ready to just delete it just to get it out of my library. I'm tired of wanting to play it again to like it, to realize that because of balance issues, made even worse by voice chat cheating, I hate it. I really, really hate it. And I hate that it's better than Friday the 13Th and the best horror game out there. A D- shouldn't be the best, but is when everyone else is getting an F.
All because I can't figure out how to deal with SWF voice chat cheating, something any sane dev wouldn't put in the game in the first damn place and I shouldn't HAVE to figure out how to deal with.
The reason it needs to be taken away or designed around is that it can't be countered in game. It breaks the game completely. They need to remove it, or redesign the entire game around it. One of the two. But giving Survivors tactical hit squad capabilities as a team game while forcing Killers to stay with the old game is ######### INSANE!
They updated half the game by adding SWF and not the other half because they didn't add Kill With Friends. Simple as that. We're playing two entirely different games balanced entirely differently that happen to mesh together and make a hot mess that I have to pay for and the Survivors benefit from. Then have the audacity to call "not cheating."
Why
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