My opnion on the upcoming changes

GrimReaperJr1232

Pyramid Head - I don't think they're that bad. We'll have to wait and see first, but from the sound of it, it's not terrible. I love PH, but the "Hit one way or another" wasn't that fun to verse, let's be honest. He can still hit through walls, so that alone will make him a pretty good killer. Let's reserve judgement until we see the changes ourselves.

Trail of Torment - This is pretty good, not gonna lie. Giving the survivors the aura info actually makes a bit of sense now. Although the devs statement on thinking that a stealth perk could overshadow stealth killers has me a bit concerned. A big reason stealth killers are weak is that their entire gimmick can be countered by Spine Chill, a now pretty common perk, but that's a topic for another day. Good change overall.

Forced Penance - Worthless. The issue with Forced Penance is the same issue with Mettle of Man. It's absurdly difficult to trigger, except in this case, giving over a minute of being broken isn't even that great. Sure, you might get some value out of it, but is it really worth a perk slot? No, the answer is no... unless you're meme-ing with Mad Grit + Iron Grasp + Agitation. In that case, run this perk.

Blood Pact - Eh, not bad. Not great, but not bad.

Any Means Necessary - The reduced cooldown was long overdue, although the perk will not see much use. As a killer, they made 2 choices. Leave the pallet, or break the pallet. If they drop shack, that pallet is so absurdly safe that they always break it. if it's unsafe, then you leave it. You might be able to save one or two decent pallets if the killer tries the "pretend to break" mindgame, but it's not really worth a perk slot. It is a good change though.

Cruel Limits - Devs, while I am glad you're finally taking a look at Demo's perks, you don't understand why this perk is bad. It only procs when a gen is done which is pretty bad. But it's like Bitter Murmur or Rancor, both are at least decent, so what's so bad? If there are no windows, survivors are likely near a pallet. That's assuming you're even near them to do anything. You might get some value in Haddonfied or the hospital, but that's it.

Mindbreaker - The lack of numbers given makes it hard to judge. It will still be a bad perk though. Let's be generous and say the time was increased to 10 secs. That time is low enough that a good survivor can afford to wait periodically in a chase in order to get their Sprint Burst back (that you'll have 0 idea they'll have btw) and you might be in an even worse position now. Oh, but what if you get rid of all the nearby resources they can use? That gen will be past 50% by then.

Slippery Meat - Still pretty bad. Not much to say. Good thing for Trapper mains, I guess?

Thanatophobia - This will be pretty scary. Let's be real, there are two killers that use Thana; Plague and Legion. You don't heal against those killers (if you heal against Legion and it's not endgame/for a rescue, you're doing it wrong). Let's say the numbers increase from 16% to 20%. That adds an extra 16 secs on a gen, not including any other slowdown they could have (pop, Undying-Ruin, Dying Light, etc). It sounds like a buff to Forever Legion.

We're Gonna Live Forever - Eh, mediocre effect but the new ways to get tokens is kinda nice. It'll still really only be used to grind but the extra functionality is nice.

Technician - The increased penalty is rather unnecessary but it's a decent change. It'll be a good perk for those still learning the game and aren't that great with skillchecks yet. In fact, I suggest running this perk for a bit so that you can practice hitting great skillchecks successfully. I might actually start running this in case I have to face a Freddy.

Pop - I'm in the crowd that finds the fact this nerf occurred while DS was untouched to be absurd. Disregarding that, the change isn' too bad. Most won't even notice a difference and it'll be more of an annoyance than a hinderance. I know this is off-topic but DS needs to change - the moment its trigger became an unhook, it became an anti-tunnel perk that can punish the killer even when they don't tunnel. There is no reason a perk like Pop should be nerfed when a borderline game-breaking perk like DS in untouched.

Exerath1992

Where everybody going to see these upcoming changes? Can't find it anywhere.

GrimReaperJr1232

There is a PTB of the changes coming on the 29th

APoipleTurtle

@Exerath1992 said:

Where everybody going to see these upcoming changes? Can't find it anywhere.

There was a Developer Update released recently that details planned changes they are about to test on the PTB. You should be able to find it here:

@Peanits said:

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Welcome to the September Developer Update, a series of blogposts where we discuss upcoming changes and features making their way to Dead by Daylight.

Chapter 16 Review

With the upcoming Mid-Chapter, we are kicking off a new initiative to review the previously released Chapter (the Killer, their Perks, and the Survivor’s Perks) and make any changes that are needed. The first to receive this treatment is the Silent Hill Chapter.

We feel that it is important to see how new content plays out in a real scenario before committing to balance changes. Something that seems overpowered upon release can end up being a non-issue once people have had a chance to play against it and develop counterplay. Likewise, something that might seem underpowered might find a niche once people have had the time to experiment with new builds and playstyles. Other times, the playstyles that crop up over time can turn out to be frustrating or unfun to play against.

With this in mind, we plan to review the previous Chapter once it has had a few months to simmer and address any issues or imbalances that may have appeared. This period gives us a chance to monitor how the new content is used and get a better understanding of how it is used (and how it can be abused) before tweaking things.

The Executioner Changes

From watching Pyramid Head matches over the past few months, we have noticed that many people will opt to only use his Punishment of the Damned attack at pallets and windows, where the Survivor is locked into the interaction and unable to attempt to dodge the attack. To address this and make gameplay more dynamic, we are making two changes.

1.      Increasing the delay after cancelling Rites of Judgement before Pyramid can attack.

The reason for this change is to add a downside to cancelling your power at each pallet or window. Currently the Survivor is left with two choices: Vault the window/drop the pallet and get hit with Punishment of the Damned, or continue running and get hit with a basic attack. By increasing the delay before you can do a basic attack after cancelling Rites of Judgement, the Survivor gets a small window to avoid an attack (similar to the Huntress or Demogorgon).

2.      Decreasing the delay after attacking with Punishment of the Damned.

Missing an attack with Punishment of the Damned can feel very punishing (oh, the irony). The cooldown after attacking is fairly long which gives the Survivor a lot of time to gain distance. By lowering the cooldown, you’ll be able to use your power more liberally without having it backfire as hard if you miss.

The goal of these changes is to move Pyramid Head’s gameplay in a more skill based direction which rewards aiming your attacks well rather than canceling your power or using it only in situations where you’re guaranteed a hit. We are not aiming to make The Executioner stronger or weaker overall, but rather to address some of the frustrations of both sides.

Perk Changes

We are happy to see that some of the perks from Chapter 16 have found their way into people’s regular line-up and niche builds, however there are three perks that we would like to revisit. These perks are:

Trail of Torment

We erred on the side of caution when releasing this perk; if the Killer is Undetectable too often, it can easily become overwhelming and start to overshadow actual stealth based Killers. After watching it play out, we are comfortable with giving Trail of Torment a buff.

The Undetectable status effect will now remain active until the marked generator stops regressing or until a Survivor is put into the dying state by any means.

This creates an interesting dynamic where the Survivors need to stop the generator from regressing to remove the Undetectable status effect. The Killer can use this to ambush Survivors, or use it to sneak up on a Survivor from an unexpected angle.

Forced Penance

Forced Penance has some interesting applications, but the duration seems to be a little low to get much use out of the Broken effect. We are increasing the duration of the Broken effect by 20 seconds across all tiers.

Blood Pact

Blood Pact’s Haste effect is nice to have but did not last long enough to see much use. We are scrapping the duration for the Haste effect and instead making it last indefinitely until the two Survivors are no longer within 16m of one another.

Miscellaneous Perk Changes

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On the subject of perks, we have also prepared a package of perk updates for this Mid-Chapter. Like the perks mentioned above, we’ll go through and give a short explanation of each one.

Any Means Necessary

• Reduced cooldown to 60 seconds.
• Added a score event for resetting a pallet.

This is another perk that we erred on the side of caution when releasing. Resetting pallets can be a game changer and we wanted to make sure that it would not get out of hand. Upon review, we are comfortable with decreasing the cooldown to 60 seconds.

Cruel Limits

• Increased radius to 32m.

There were concerns with Cruel Limits being overbearing when the perk first launched, but it turned out to be a non-issue. We are increasing the range from to 32m (from 24m).

For The People

• Added a score event for using For The People.

Mindbreaker

• Increased duration of the Exhausted effect.

The Exhausted effect from Mindbreaker often ended up being too short to make much use out of. We are increasing the duration by a few seconds across the board.

Slippery Meat

• Removed Bear Trap escape chance.
• Added an increased chance to self-unhook.

Slippery Meat has found its way into some niche builds, but it is one of the few perks from back in the day that affects one Killer more than others (increasing your odds of escaping from Bear Traps). This is something we’ve moved away from recently, so we will be removing the increased Bear Trap escape chance from this perk.

To better play into the niche playstyle, Slippery Meat will now increase your chance to self-unhook in addition to giving your more self-unhook attempts.

Thanataphobia

• Removed heal speed penalty.
• Increased penalty on other actions.

Thanataphobia is meant to encourage the Survivors to heal in order to avoid the penalty from the perk. However, it currently reduces healing speed as well, creating a lose-lose situation no matter what the Survivors do. This prevents us from making the perk stronger as it would quickly get overbearing.

To address this, we are removing the reduced healing speed from the perk, but increasing the action speed penalty to compensate.

We’re Gonna Live Forever

• Added new ways to get tokens.
• Added increased healing speed when healing a dying Survivor.

We’re Gonna Live Forever is often seen as the Survivor equivalent to BBQ & Chilli, but lacking a secondary like the latter’s aura revealing. It can also cause Survivors to compete for unhooks, leading to people rushing in for hook saves before it’s safe.

By adding additional ways to get tokens, we hope to reduce the competition between Survivors. The secondary effect gives the perk more use within the trial.

Technician

• Increased the chance to prevent an explosion to 100%.
• Added an increased penalty to missed skill checks.

Technician is designed as a perk to help newer players and those who struggle with skill checks. There is, however, a random aspect to it as to whether or not the generator explosion will be prevented. To make it more consistent and play more into the learning tool aspect, we are changing the perk to always prevent the explosion, but adding a small penalty to progress for missed skill checks.

Pop Goes The Weasel

• Decreased the time the perk stays activated to 45 seconds.

Originally Pop Goes The Weasel had a 30 second cooldown, which felt too short to get much use out of. We later increased this to 60 seconds. This felt much better to use, but it wound up being a little too lenient and allowed Killers to find and kick a generator at their leisure, often after chasing and downing a different Survivor.

To add some urgency back into the perk, we are splitting the difference and changing the time to 45 seconds at tier 3. This way you’ll have enough time to get to the generator you want to kick, but you’ll want to kick the generator before committing to a chase with another Survivor.

Perk Rarity Simplification

Keeping with the theme of perks, a small change, but a noteworthy one nonetheless: All perks will now share the same rarities based on their tiers.

Currently, tier 3 perks can either be rare or very rare. This can make it difficult to find the perk you’re looking for since the perk list is sorted not just alphabetically, but also divided across two different rarities.

Going forward, perk rarity will match the tier of the perk:

1. Uncommon
2. Rare
3. Very Rare

This makes it easier to find the perks you’re looking for in your perk list, and also makes it easier to tell what tier a perk is at a glance.

Graphics Update: MacMillan Estate

Last but not least, we recently showed off some concept art for the next realm to receive a graphics update. Here they are once more in case you missed them:

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This concludes the September edition of the Developer Update. All of the changes mentioned above will be available for testing in the Player Test Build on Steam starting Tuesday, September 29th. We look forward to seeing what you think once you’ve had a chance to try everything out!

The Dead by Daylight team