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• @Zoophage said:

  https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1376777#Comment_1376777

  Not sure why it's taking so long to post. I'll redo it.

  I don't know what the Survivors were using in terms of perks (Prove Thyself? Streetwise? Spine Chill), or if the other Survivor (#2) on the gen had any items/add-ons. Without that information we're guestimating something like this:

  Survivor #1 = Engineer's Toolbox (16c @2.0c/c), BNP, Wire Spool (+12 charges @ 2.0c/s)

  Survivor #2 = Nothing

  1 generator = 80 charges = 80s @ 1c/s

  2 Survivors incur a 15% repair penalty, so instead of fixing the gen @ the rate of 1c/s it will be 0.85c/s for EACH of the Survivors = 1.7c/s total combined efficiency (w/o items, perks)

  80/1.7= 47.05s repair time for 2 survivors

  This is where it gets a little tricky (I'm no math whiz, believe me) - I don't know how BHVR decided to write the expression for Brand New Part (BNP). I'm just going to say it repairs 15%, or 80*/0.15 = 12c, in the given time; otherwise it would have significantly less of an impact on a gen that wasn't at 0c (if it can even be used like that; I don't know). It repairs up to 15% (if player hits both skill checks) of the gen in 5 seconds, at a rate of 12c/5s = 2.4c/s.

  Both survivors get to the gen and start working on it at the same exact time. In 5s the gen will be at 12c from player 1's BNP in addition to player 2's contribution of 0.85*5 = 4.25c, for a total of 16.25c or ~20.31%.

  Again, I don't use these items so I'm going to assume that BNP doesn't use up any charges of the Toolbox while it is being used; if in fact it does, the end variable, time, will be slightly different. Does the -15% even effect the Toolbox or BNP? Again, lots of guestimating:

  Generator is currently at 16.25c/80c, or ~20.31% complete. The Survivors continue to work on the gen together at a rate of 0.85*(2.0c/s + 1.0c/s) for the next 25s, while his Engineer's Toolbox is in effect. In 25s @ 0.85*(2.0c/s + 1.0c/s) = 63.75c the repair is compete, and Survivor #1 walks away with 3c remaining in his item.

  16.25c + 63.75c = 80c, or 100% in 30s for maximum efficiency, in terms of time and given our initial constraints (no perks, no items on Survivor #2, not hitting any great skill-checks, etc). If one of the Survivors had Prove Thyself equipped this would shave a few more seconds off the time required; just like both players consistently hitting great skill-checks. In light of this, his estimate of ~20s doesn't seem so absurd.

  As someone who is bored and can't sleep I just crunched the numbers excluding any potential random skill checks for a worst case scenario for a killer perspective (may have missed a perk that has a hidden benefit) If both survivors run Streetwise (-75% item consumption twice ~56%) and Prove Thyself (I have them with Spine Chill for a potential final squeeze and Sprint Burst to reduce travel time between generators) and Engineers Toolbox+BNP+Socket Swivels

  First gen can be done as quick as 13.9 seconds

  Second gen can be completed in 17.8 seconds

  Even accounting for movement between gens 2 survivors could easily do 2 gens within 40 seconds allowing for up to 39.25 meters of running to gens. If you don't get to the first gen on the side the survivors left in 24 seconds (quite likely for a killer who knew the other 2 spawned near them) then you won't see scratch marks and they could be on the opposite side of the map by now.

  From my limited experience of killer perks the best way to play around this would need corrupt intervention and discordance with potentially an irritated franklins to hurt the gen rush toolboxers if you get a hit on them before they finish the second gen

  
  

  What could be worse is if it's a 4 man with all running this build you go to near the first gens location the other 2 then start the same process the other side, could potentially be 4 gens within the first minute!!! Take into account the number of loops on

  Saying 10 seconds is actually such a small exaggeration that it is well within the realms of approximation appropriate for a post on a forum for a game.

  Also if I read right that it was Azarov's then there are enough locations and more importantly safe-ish pallets and windows a survivor could loop you on in those areas. In a purely theoretical standpoint even without random skill checks the survivors could finish the 5th generator within 2 minutes. I emphasize this is entirely a theoretical worst case scenario and although the ways to counter it may be tough and it may turn out to be an impossible task for most killers, this speed does require a bit of misplay from the killer. Or just a chunk of bad luck.

  in When will BHVR fix gen speed? Comment by MagicMiq June 23, 2020