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@kisfenkin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/341569/cheating-killers-on-pc-becoming-endemic
You need to play some killer, because you obviously don't know that you don't need anything to be able to HEAR the survivors. Play some killer games and get a grip on the situation. It is easy to find survivors that are hiding just around a corner. You can literally hear their footsteps, their breathing, and if they are injured they are practically shouting at you to come get them. With a good set of headphones you can tell which direction to turn. Also, in case you thought otherwise, you can hear survivors that are hiding in a locker.
That's without any perks or add-ons. Now actually look at the killers. A lot of them have the ability to find survivors built into their powers. They don't need to see an aura to know where you are.
Then there are the killers with experience, that just know where you are most likely hiding, and guess right.
Then there are the killers that just flat out get lucky. It happens. If you played killer even a little bit you would have this happen to you.
I am not saying that cheaters are non-existant. What I am saying is killers have almost no reason to cheat. I have encountered and reported dozens of hackers and blatant rule breakers, but they were ALL OF THEM WERE survivors, and I main survivor. I have never been 100% sure that a killer was hacking, other than the rule breaking of teaming up with a survivor.
So, if you are still certain they are hacking, the way to deal with them is to make a Youtube account. Link it on your PS4. Watch the other survivors until the end of the match if you aren't all dead already. Click the share button at the end card of any match you are certain a hacker was hacking. Save the match time. Use the report feature in game on the end card. Upload the video (I make mine semi-private which means you and those you send the link to can view it). Search here on the forums for "Where do I report hackers?" find the link and create a report. This is where you will give your video evidence to BHVR of the hacker. Go to your video and find the share button and copy and paste that link into your report. Now you are done, and you are likely to never have any idea if all that work was worth your effort, because they will not get back to you about it.
Now that you've read all these people telling you ways survivors can be found without cheating, and the process you have to undergo to report cheaters, how certain are you that all these killers are 'hacking'?
Let me reiterate this final part. This is not the place to report cheaters. You are doing nothing but venting and getting advice here.
Well, I obviously do know how killers HEAR survivors. I've been playing the game for 4+ years, killer and surv (surv main though). I am talking here about more than just detecting survs. Please explain how a killer can HEAR a survivor across the whole map?
As for killer perks, yes I'm completely familiar with each of them. And they can't explain what I'm experiencing.
As for lucky killers, yes, I know that too.
You're not wanting to understand what I'm writing. I'm not complaining about killers being good, or winning more. I'm observing killers playing 100% PERFECT games. They never patrol, they never go hunting, they are just going directly to a surv REGARDLESS of where they are on the map, down them, hang them, move on to next surv with PERFECT accuracy. Repeat, PERFECT. They never put a foot wrong. Games are over in literally less than 5 minutes. Yes I've experienced short games before, but only when survs are being idiots. I can accept that, always have. But there is something else going on here.
I was a rank 1 player nearly every season under the old scheme, and I'm iridescent 1 now for what that's worth (not much). I have never seen killers play so consistently perfectly as I am now.
I do use the report method but we all know that doesn't count for anything. Yes I'm venting because unless something is done the game will get die. I could upload videos but in isolation people will always make excuses, as they are here - any single game in isolation could be written off as "lucky killer". It's the sheer perfection of the way they play and the frequency it's happening that is telling.
Yes I've read "all the ways people tell me ways to find survivors without cheating", and I'm totally familiar with them, I am not a noob at this game. So yes, after all of that, I am pretty certain they are hacking.
It's much more noticeable now in the second half of the season as the player ranks are being sorted out, same experience as last month when I first mentioned it. This is probably because all the cheating killers are now top ranked so my incidence of being paired with them is significantly greater. I didn't notice it anything like as much after the season reset.
Play surv and get to Iridescent level. I guarantee you'll experience it.
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I'm raising this again because it's getting beyond a joke. Maybe it's because I'm iridescent 1 level and I'm being paired with higher ranked killers and there's a disproportionate number of cheaters at that level, but I played a few hours this morning and I kept track of the obvious cheaters and it was around 60% of the games I played, but I can guarantee there's a massive issue. There are a few giveaways:
- the killer is running absolutely zero aura based perks (why would they?!)
- they make a beeline to the nearest survivor every single time in open play
- they know exactly when someone is making a dash to unhook a surv and will abandon a chase to prevent it
- they can predict your movements with 100% when they lose line of sight
- they never go patrolling to areas where survs aren't
- they are only interested in finishing the game as quickly as possible, they'll tunnel survs if that's the easiest way
- they never let the last surv escape (I'm not saying they should, but some killers do this after a good game, but it never happens with a cheater)
- they immediately find the last surv, even if they're hiding all the way across the map in a very unusual place
- when it comes to close quarters, they're not actually very good killers against even half decent jukers
Consequently games are over really quickly, survs might get one generator in the first rush if the first surv is a good juker, and maybe one more if they're really lucky. It's just a repeating pattern that is wholly at odds with my considerable experience in the game. It seems other survs are detecting the same thing because now I'm seeing far more disconnect, or deliberately die asap, or change their playstyle as soon as the first surv gets hung because they know there's no point in trying to play a normal game.
I suspect I'll get a bunch of more comments telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, but before you do so remember that these killers have 100% awareness of every survivor all of the time and absolutely zero aura perks to justify it. Try ranking up as a surv and see how it goes, based on the numbers you'll encounter it pretty soon if you've got the game awareness to detect it.
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@RatbasterdJr said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3136889#Comment_3136889
Perhaps they were using an aura perk you didn’t recognize, such as the dredge’s locker aura.
As well as that, I believe the dredge gets killer instinct for survivors in or near lockers while teleporting if I’m not mistaken.
im not saying you’re wrong.. just like to give the benefit of the doubt because I’ve been called a cheater multiple times because I’ve used good game sense and knowledge to pull survivors out of random lockers or randomly hit them from behind trees and corners. (With no aura perks). I honestly do it all the time because survivors are predictable 90% of the time.
Whenever I get killed in ways I don't understand I always hang around to endgame to see the killer perks and work out what they've done and how they did it. It makes me a better survivor and learn to detect different killer playstyles and evolve how I play. I don't think Dredge has killer instinct while teleporting; they do have Darkness Revealed which does reveal players near lockers but the Dredge I observed didn't trigger this by searching a locker, it was chase surv, down surv, hang surv, straight to my locker.
Seems some ppl are very defensive, and think I'm some kind of noob who doesn't understand the game mechanics. I always suspect skill rather than cheats but if you just play as surv and watch how the killer acts against what perks & skills they have you'll see what I mean sooner or later.
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@OrangeBear said:
Scratch marks. Pools of blood. Grunts of pain, disturbed crows, game sense. There's plenty of ways to find survivors without perks or add-ons.
Agreed.
And when NONE of those apply, and the killer has an infallible knowledge of where survivors are, and none of the perks to support it, what would your conclusion be?
Seriously, I've put enough hours into this game and tbh I'm good enough at it to know when it's good killer vs cheating killer. Why would I wait 5 years to bleat about it at this point?
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@RatbasterdJr said:
I doubt 30% of your killers were using Aura hacks.. there are so many aura perks that allow that kind of behavior.
Good headphones make it really easy to guess a survivor behind a corner.
Its also not hard to guess survivor movement. If I see a survivor go around a corner and not come out the other side, they’re obviously trying to hide.
don’t jump to conclusions.
At first I just assumed "good killer". But so many weird things started happening that I began to take more notice. For example: one game playing against Dredge he was downing and hanging survs at a rate so I assumed he had BBQ & chilli. So next time he downed someone, I was in a locker well before the hanging. This was a locker not near a generator, far side of the map, absolutely no reason at all for the killer to come through that locker. But immediately after the hanging, he teleports straight through the exact one I'm in and straight onto a hook I go. I then watch the killer head directly for the next surv who is also in hiding and pretty much impossible for the killer to know exactly where he was. I stick around until after end of the (very short) game and the killer has not a single aura assisted perk. That was when my suspicions were raised. After that I began to pay attention to more killers, and particular attention to how they played and after the game to see if their perks supported it. In every case where I had my suspicions the common factors were: not from my platform, and not a single aura based perk.
Good headphones won't help you find a survivor who you hadn't previously seen and who was hiding motionless somewhere.
Guessing survivor movement is possible, but not with 100% accuracy, which is what I've observed.
So, I'm really not jumping to conclusions out of saltiness, there's definitely something smelly going on. I've been playing DbD since release on PS4 and under the old system I was a regular Rank 1 player, so I've played enough (1000s of hours) to notice a distinct difference since coming back to DbD after a bit of a break.
And the 30% number was just a guesstimate (qualified that this 30% is from "not my platform" players) and maybe I just got unlucky with my killer allocation but I have played a lot of games this week and it was happening in those sorts of numbers.
It's also telling that I NEVER experienced this odd killer behaviour when they were on the same PS4 platform as me.
Just because you're a legit killer doesn't mean there aren't bad eggs out there. Try playing as a surv for a bit, analyse the killer gameplay style and see if their perks support it. Sometimes it does, fine; all good, and sometimes it definitely does not.
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First post on the forums but I've been playing DbD for nearly a year now.
Penalties for DC should be much more severe IMO, and it really can't be hard to detect deliberate DC rather than because of the many bugs.
For example, if a survivor DC if they are the first downed, then that is 99% likely to be deliberate. Penalise them with inability to play public for hours.
Killer DC when the gates are open is another easy deliberate scenario that should lead to immediate cooloff.
This last situation is made MUCH worse by terrible programming. Yesterday I was playing as survivor, we got all 5 generators done and gates opened without anyone getting downed. Killer DC. I had done 4 generators and got a few totems so was in line for about 10000 BP, and I had an Escape cake and someone else played party streamers. I was also doing the "complete 4 gens for 60,000 BP" on Rift Level 4, so I was in line for nearly 100,000 BP.
The end result of the Killer DC was that I was given about 4000 BP from someone else's play (all BP were in Boldness but I never ever saw the killer) and got a -1 pip on rank.
This sort of killer DC is just cynical and penalises survivors wholly disproportionately.
As for killers who DC when losing, you are infantile losers. You have all the best perks, range attacks, double BP ('cos we all know you are rocking BBQ&Chilli) and if you double up Hex Ruin on a map like Lery's or the Labs then it can make life incredibly hard for survivors. There's just no need for you to DC on the odd round you don't "win".
Devs need smarter DC scenario detection and stronger penalties for miscreants. And don't penalise & depip survivors when the killer DCs.